Here's the thing, the entire pro-life argument hinges on the idea that "life begins at conception", however, this assertion is extremely debatable, and has literally no biblical support or historical basis before the modern era.
And don't quote the "knit together in my mother's womb passage" at me, as that passage has nothing to do with t…
Here's the thing, the entire pro-life argument hinges on the idea that "life begins at conception", however, this assertion is extremely debatable, and has literally no biblical support or historical basis before the modern era.
And don't quote the "knit together in my mother's womb passage" at me, as that passage has nothing to do with the issue of abortion or the timing of when a person becomes a person. Also, have you ever seen an old woman knitting? It's a process, and sometimes even takes weeks. But I digress.
Hardly any protestants in the US were pro-life before the 70's and suddenly, not only was abortion oppostition a popular topic within protestant circles, it was sacrosanct. You can't be a Christian and not be pro-life they say. I'd say that's debatable as well.
Bascially, the political side of the pro-life movement seeks to make abortion illegal. And the justification of this is that children are being killed, so it doesn't matter what a woman wants, or even if she was raped, or even if her life is in danger. Innocent babies hang in the balance, so really, the woman can go to heck. And this is not just a restriction that should be placed on Christian women or religious women, it will be placed on all women. If you are female and you get pregnant, then your baby is the priority, and you don't have rights or choices anymore.
And I'm sorry, I'm a Christian, and I generally view abortion negatively. But I'm going to have to call BS on this whole view. There is literally no passage in the Bible directly condemning abortion (in fact there is this odd passage in Exodus where if a man thinks his wife is cheating, she has to drink a potion that will cause her womb to shrivel if she is guilty). We as Christians have no mandate to impose our view of life's beginnings on the secular population. We cannot prove that "life begins at conception" as this is a philosohpical and theological question, that is unanswerable by secular law.
Yes, abortion can be restricted. People can choose to make their own laws and they can make things illegal that they find distasteful. But do Chrisitans have a mandate to impose this on the world? No. Also, what happens when 20% of the population (conservative protestants and catholics) wants abortion to be 100% illegal, but 80% doesn't want this and mostly favors a grey area between?
Roe will be overturned, but I think pro-lifers should lower their expectations that this is some kind of step along the way to a pro-life future. Sure there are going to be some very restrictive bills passed in red state. But what happens when a bunch of young women die for want of an abortion and the media justifiably makes it a huge deal? You will see those bills reversed. Because it turns out that Americans actually like having the freedom to make decisions over their own bodies.
I agree with a lot of your thoughts here but the bible does actually have something to say about abortion and it goes like this: Thou shalt not kill. The current issue at hand is more about adhering to the consitution than it is about abortion rights. Our courts have violated the consitution with Roe and that is what needs to be reversed. Rules on things such as abortion are to be left to the electorate and are not to be handed down from an unelected judiciary. When it comes to abortion both sides have grossly overplayed their hand. Public funding of abortion should have never happened. Citizens should not be forced to participate in abortion by being mandated to fund them for others because like I said, there is that whole Thou shalt not kill thing which some of us have bound ourselves to live by. And for those who don't adhere to that rule then they should be free to live with their decisions as long as they don't impose the costs on others.
Obviously, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" would apply if you believed that a zygote/embryo/fetus was a fully-formed human being with a soul. But that is the million dollar question.
Here's the thing, the entire pro-life argument hinges on the idea that "life begins at conception", however, this assertion is extremely debatable, and has literally no biblical support or historical basis before the modern era.
And don't quote the "knit together in my mother's womb passage" at me, as that passage has nothing to do with the issue of abortion or the timing of when a person becomes a person. Also, have you ever seen an old woman knitting? It's a process, and sometimes even takes weeks. But I digress.
Hardly any protestants in the US were pro-life before the 70's and suddenly, not only was abortion oppostition a popular topic within protestant circles, it was sacrosanct. You can't be a Christian and not be pro-life they say. I'd say that's debatable as well.
Bascially, the political side of the pro-life movement seeks to make abortion illegal. And the justification of this is that children are being killed, so it doesn't matter what a woman wants, or even if she was raped, or even if her life is in danger. Innocent babies hang in the balance, so really, the woman can go to heck. And this is not just a restriction that should be placed on Christian women or religious women, it will be placed on all women. If you are female and you get pregnant, then your baby is the priority, and you don't have rights or choices anymore.
And I'm sorry, I'm a Christian, and I generally view abortion negatively. But I'm going to have to call BS on this whole view. There is literally no passage in the Bible directly condemning abortion (in fact there is this odd passage in Exodus where if a man thinks his wife is cheating, she has to drink a potion that will cause her womb to shrivel if she is guilty). We as Christians have no mandate to impose our view of life's beginnings on the secular population. We cannot prove that "life begins at conception" as this is a philosohpical and theological question, that is unanswerable by secular law.
Yes, abortion can be restricted. People can choose to make their own laws and they can make things illegal that they find distasteful. But do Chrisitans have a mandate to impose this on the world? No. Also, what happens when 20% of the population (conservative protestants and catholics) wants abortion to be 100% illegal, but 80% doesn't want this and mostly favors a grey area between?
Roe will be overturned, but I think pro-lifers should lower their expectations that this is some kind of step along the way to a pro-life future. Sure there are going to be some very restrictive bills passed in red state. But what happens when a bunch of young women die for want of an abortion and the media justifiably makes it a huge deal? You will see those bills reversed. Because it turns out that Americans actually like having the freedom to make decisions over their own bodies.
I agree with a lot of your thoughts here but the bible does actually have something to say about abortion and it goes like this: Thou shalt not kill. The current issue at hand is more about adhering to the consitution than it is about abortion rights. Our courts have violated the consitution with Roe and that is what needs to be reversed. Rules on things such as abortion are to be left to the electorate and are not to be handed down from an unelected judiciary. When it comes to abortion both sides have grossly overplayed their hand. Public funding of abortion should have never happened. Citizens should not be forced to participate in abortion by being mandated to fund them for others because like I said, there is that whole Thou shalt not kill thing which some of us have bound ourselves to live by. And for those who don't adhere to that rule then they should be free to live with their decisions as long as they don't impose the costs on others.
Obviously, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" would apply if you believed that a zygote/embryo/fetus was a fully-formed human being with a soul. But that is the million dollar question.