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I should mentiont, my wife and I owned a machine shop for many years. Double lead screws are stock and trade.

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Since Counterpoint mentioned the quote-bludgeoning, and endeavored to bring it nearer to totality, I figured somebody oughta remind us all of another great line ‘bout lyin’, in the broadest sense. It comes from a too-seldom mentioned (nowadays, anyway) great man, Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”

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Orwell is good. Sissela Bok, Lying; A Moral Choice in Public and Private Life, is as well. I fear it is in the nature of humans since we lie convincingly from very early in our lives. What is strange is that we lie more easily than we discern lies. One might think that the value of truth would be so great that evolution would have outfitted us better to detect it - or the lack of it. The opposite seems to be true. Lies are so comforting that we seem to be unable to throw them off. Truth is referred to as "hard" for a reason.

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Jun 30, 2023Liked by Matt Labash

So I have a question. As someone that has been up close and personal with the Commanders in Lies, is it acceptable to lie to protect us from ourselves? Should we be told everything? Should we be told how bad things are or will become? Did we need to know if he did have sex with that woman? Do you really want to know if our own military shot down an American airliner with souls onboard over PA on 9/11? Do you want to know if the CIA waterboarded terrorists in order to attempt to save lives? Do you want to know if anyone woke up HRC to tell her, her people were being killed at the US Mission in Benghazi and what she should do to help? Please I don't think any of us want to know what former President Tangelo said or did. How did we know he was lying? His lips moved. Are those lies acceptable? Or are they omissions of truths?

Honestly, I am not as smart as many, many, of you here. You all make me smarter. But as i have said here before I have been better lucky than good as well as being blessed. The comments and replies here, especially, on this particular thread are thought provoking even to a very simple minded guy like me. Thank you all, seriously. Shout out to Matt, Paps is very proud! 'Yep that's my Grandson"

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Give yourself a bit more credit, Billy. You're no more *simple* minded than anyone here. Everyone I read here has a level of *not simple* in their minds not all that common in the population writ large, I believe. Why do I say that?

Because a truly simple mind, regardless of its native intelligence, doesn't pose all that many questions beyond the basics of "How do I get this" or "How do I get that"? It doesn't question much, if anything, beyond the base line of everyday living and survival and satisfying immediate wants and needs. It rarely if ever asks "why?". And while I'm sure Matt would like to think that the Tide is a staple of life - or at least that it should be ( and I wouldn't necessarily say he'd be wrong) - sadly, endeavors such as this are a dime a dozen in the digital age of communication, at least in quantity, though they cost a bit more than that if you want the full ride so you can engage with *not* simple minds to some degree. And how many folks financially able to do so avail themselves of an opportunity like this to ask and discuss questions beyond the 'basics' as opposed to simply ranting on Twitter or posting cat videos on FB and the like for free. I don't think it's because they're all cheapskates.

Matt and some others here are no doubt smarter than you and I and a handful of other folks all put together for a number of reasons. About some things. Like maybe "truth" and what that actually is and how and why it's useful and to whom. I freely admit I'm just treadin' water here on this particular subject and would otherwise be in over my head if I tried to actually swim more than a few strokes with the "smart guys" on this one. But that doesn't mean I'm simple minded any more than you are, nor any more than Matt would be if the discussion turned for some inexplicably weird reason to cutting a 1 1/2-13 UNF-2A LH double-lead thread as opposed to a single-lead thread of the same series on a piece of 4140 pre-hardened round stock and what that might be useful for and why, in which case I'd probably come off sounding pretty darned smart myself.

Even simple-minded human beings are a mess of complications to some extent. And the not-simple-minded far more so, way more often than not. You're a freakin' hot mess, Billy. So am I. So is Matt. So are all here at the Tide as far as I can tell. And I'm happy and appreciative for that. And that, my friend, is the truth.

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Nice job M. As always.

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Well thank you, Ron. I do appreciate this. Hope you had a nice holiday today.

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Hey, how'd you know I was a mess?

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Please. Don't act so surprised. We know a couple of the same people who know you pretty well. But don't blame them. I practically had to beat it out of 'em. :-D

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Wish I could give this a few dozen “likes”.

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Thanks, Perry. Nice of you to say that.

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You’re very welcome. But the praise is well earned!

Now I’ve gotta go look up what a 1 1/2-13 UNF-2A LH double-lead thread is. (Question, though: Did you leave out Peyton Manning yelling “Omaha! Omaha!” in there somewhere?)

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Apparently, I did. Good of you to include it. :-D

I'm a Toolmaker and Toolroom Machinist. Let me save you a little trouble looking up what that thread is. It's a pain in the ass to make. That's what it is.

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Jun 30, 2023Liked by Matt Labash

Not to get all spiritual on ya here Matt but we don’t just need a healthy dose of Orwell to ground us we need God’s Holy Spirit. When Paul talks about putting on the full Armour of God he’s telling us we can’t fight the good fight and stand for the truth without some help. Discerning the truth is a byproduct of asking for God’s help to do so. Of course this requires listening for His still small voice—and people, even those that claim they speak for God, aren’t very practiced at that anymore.

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Quite all right, Karen. I've pulled the spiritual card a few times myself........

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So, as Orwell observed in “1984”, “War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.” All these many years later, we are now fed a regular diet of black is white, up is down, hot is cold, left is right, flashing Iranian war plans is nothing more than ‘bravado,’ etc., etc., ad nauseum from the Orange Odin and/or Tangerine Emperor and somehow Orwell can help us all figure out a way to deal with it? That is one damn tall order. I’m flippin’-assed depressed. I’m heading to the Henry’s Fork to deal with it all.

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Only if we listen to him. If we don't, the Henry's Fork will do.

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I think the line by Orwell about concentration camps in Germany and India and Jews in Germany and color laws in South Africa (were not as bad as they would become after 1947) undermines your point. It was in service of an untruth. The same that Hitchens loved. That British Imperialism was a patch on Fascism or Communism. It is, in fact, in service of a lie.

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Not sure what you mean, John. Orwell didn't love imperialism, he came to hate it. Because he saw the ugliness of it up close, as a practitioner. As "Shooting An Elephant" (which I linked to in the piece) demonstrates perhaps as well as any piece of writing in the English language. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you........

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Yes, you are. I know he hated it as did Hitchens. My point is to compare "concentration camps" in Germany with those in India. And racial treatment of Jews in Germany to blacks in S.A. in 1941 is to perpetuate a lie. They are not the same. (one of the oldest pieces of my own writing I have is a high school assignment to review "Shooting an Elephant." Upshot was he was the guy in charge. Didn't have to shoot the Elephant. He just wimped out, failed to show leadeship, and blamed the British Empire. ). So very good piece but I think on this subject he veered from Truth.

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Well, whatever the death or injustice totals are of various atrocities throughout the world, The Holocaust being one of the obviously highest ones, I think the larger point is that such injustices occur all over the place, and too many people are only conditionally offended by such injustices. If it happens in one place, it's an atrocity! And if it happens in another less concerning place, oh well........And you're missing the point of Shooting An Elephant. You're condemning him for what he readily admits: that he wimped out. Which is precisely what he was illustrating. Him showing how this imperial system he was a part of encouraged moral cowardice, because his ilk had to pretend to be tough-guy enforcers to keep the natives under heel. Which is an extremely sophisticated insight not too many British Imperialists of the day were making. Give the guy some credit for his critical distance. It's easy to criticize a time when we live way outside of it. Much harder to do when you're living smack in the middle of it. Yet Orwell did just that, in real time.

Though the elephant would probably agree with you. And as an elephant-lover myself, I positively HATE to read about any elephant getting killed.

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I cry just thinking about seeing an elephant shot.

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Before Trump was elected prez, I was supposed to do a fishing piece for a favorite magazine with one of the sons, an avid fly fisherman. I had mixed feelings about it, as I was no Trump fan even then. And didn't know that I felt like possibly glorifying Uday or Qusay. But fishing's fishing, how wrong could it go? We'd started setting it up, but as soon as I saw a photo of Uday (Don Jr.) after an elephant hunt, holding an elephant's severed tail for a trophy shot, that was it for me. I wasn't about to do the piece. You have to be a true monster to kill an elephant for fun, then pose off with the severed body parts.

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Oy! I can imagine the bile erupting into the back of your throat. Ironically, for me, anyway, I’ve just decided to call my ‘stack “An Elephant’s Tail”—my take on truth, reality, the universe, etc., as manifest in an elephant I know only through inspection of its tail. Orangutans were another option. I am so often disgusted and embarrassed by my own species….

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I’m going to bludgeon away with my favorite Orwell quote “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

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Matt? Donald here. No, Senior, not Junior. Not gonna' send a kid to do a man's job. Not this time at least. I've got more respect for ya' than that. And this group probably needs a more daft...uh....deft touch than the kid can handle.

About this lying problem you're soundin' off about and which someone I don't know and never met called to my attention. What lying problem? Is there a lie shortage that I don't know about? Been a little out of the official loop on things lately. Those docs I stashed in the bathroom were a bit dated and I meant to flush 'em and get some new ones with more current info, but it sort of slipped my mind. Or maybe I just forgot they were there. Hard to keep track when I had to shuffle them around so much. But this sounds serious. Maybe a national security problem. The lie shortage, I mean. Not the other thing. Lies are the life blood of our politics. And a whole lot of other stuff, like advertising and...what's that thing again? It's right on the tip of my tongue. Kind of like advertising. Cripes, I guess Joe's not the only one gettin' a little long in the tooth...

Oh yeah! Branding. And I don't mean cattle, though cattle will ride for the brand if you pitch 'em just right. This is all probably just a supply chain problem brought on by those stupid Ds, who wouldn't know how to handle the logistics of a good lie if their lives depended on it. Actually, Clinton didn't do too bad for a while... until that amateur folded like a cheap suit when they put him under oath. The pussy.

Anyway, guess it's a good thing I was born with a lifetime supply of lies already in hand and don't have to worry about that sort of thing personally. Hell, I've got so many - an absolute embarrassment of riches, actually - I've been pretty much giving 'em away to deserving folks in large quantities for free for quite a while now. But keep that under your hat, will ya'? Folks might start to say I'm magananimous or something like that, and I actually embarrass quite easily in the face of any praise. It's just hard to see me blush under the orange make-up. And it might make me come off as something of a closet softie, which, of course, would be a vicious lie. I'm just trying to do my bit for the country, giving the people what they want and what they apparently really, really need.

But here's the thing, Matt. The *truth* is that lawyers are damned expensive. And I've been through a lot of 'em. Christ, you'd think I'd be entitled to a volume discount or something by now, wouldn't ya'? So, if some of your fine readers - I'm sure they're all absolutely fine and good people from that little slice of Tide demographics you dropped in your post, and even if there are few who aren't exactly white, I'm sure they're just as fine, 'cause they got green money and good people on both sides and like that, you know - anyway, if they could just go to donaldjtruth.lies and pony up a few bucks for my defense fun...I mean campaign... I can stay on the loos...uh, keep on campaigning despite the efforts of that lyin' s.o.b. Jack Smith and his lyin' lib friends and the lyin' deep state and continue my crusade to serve all the fine folks out there by giving them more of what they want and need. A lot more. A whole lot more. Lies so yuuuuge they won't believe it when they hear 'em. Which might be a problem, now that I think about it. Well, I'll burn that bridge when I jump off it.

But before I forget, what about this Orwell guy? What the hell does he know about liying? I hear he wrote about pigs or somethin' like that. Or maybe he's a pig. Not sure which, but a lot of people are sayin' something about him and pigs.

Thanks, Matt. By the way, I ran into some M. guy on the way in from the car. Asked if I'd do him a favor and drop something off for ya'. I don't know, the guy's kind of suspect in my book. Said not only that he didn't vote for me twice, but he was lookin' forward to makin' it a hat trick, if it comes to that. Which tells me this schmuck wouldn't know a good lie if it walked up and kicked him in the effin' chin. So, what the hell would he know about a good song about lying? Nothing, I'll bet. But here it is, he managed to con me into doing this somehow. Like I said, he's kind of sketchy. Just don't blame me. Or shoot me. This ain't Fith Avenue, I'm unarmed, and I am after all only the mirror. I mean messenger.

By the way, just to show my appreciation for all you fine folks, free subs for everybody! On me! (Psssttt...hey, Walt...you tell those Secret Service guys to keep the motor running like I told you to? Good...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tigVYfHVmQ

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Jimmy Kimmel said that no one in Trump's inner circle is in prison <aghast>, except Melania.

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Ha! You'd think she'd know someone, somewhere who could send her a cake with a file in it. If she really wanted one. More likely she's waiting for parole, which will commence when the Donald downs the cheeseburger that will be one cheeseburger too many.

Personally, I'd opt for the cake and take my chances. But that's just me. I'm a little more accustomed and acclimated to livin' rough, I guess.

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You've convinced me to do a pledge drive. Though all the proceeds are going to Melania - to help the poor girl escape.

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"For people in public life are frequently there in the first place as the beneficiaries of a spoils system – a spoils system that has become deeply, perhaps irreparably spoiled." First thought that popped into my mind upon reading this sentence was - Hunter Biden. And while he is the most prominent name in the news right now, he is by no means the only one - on either side. The excerpts from Orwell startlingly point out that more man changes, the more he stays the same.

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Wait, you think a guy who is photographed falling asleep with a crack pipe in his mouth, probably by the hooker in his room, is dirty? You're so judgmental.

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I try to succeed in at least ONE area of my life.

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Sir Walter Scott, 1808: “O what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”

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Are we sure Mark Twain didn't say that? I've read the internet, and I'm pretty sure Mark Twain said everything.

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And what Twain didn’t get around to saying, Churchill did.

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Matt, right out of the chute with the two most nut bag Republican congresswomen with their usual daft proposals. I’m a one trick pony with this I know, but surely on the left you could find some juicy targets for your piercing witticisms ( I know, I know you are disappointed with the Republicans, having been one, but I see such opportunities!) Thanks for the Orwell, good to be reminded.

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Well, those are hardly backbenchers, Tom. Stefanik is the fourth-ranking House Republican. And MTG, by most accounts, is the de facto Speaker at this point. When McCarthy says "how high?," she says, "I haven't told you to jump yet."

But I did just tee off on the Clintons (for old time's sake) in my response to Joel below. So that ought to slake your bloodlust for a while!

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Thanks Matt.

Interesting Fact: The “Good Guys” have won every major war and conflict since recorded history. Truly remarkable.

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You're telling me if Alana decided she wanted to be The Enemy of the Good, you wouldn't "let" her? Sure, buddy. I call bullshit right there.

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If by "let," you mean I have no choice in the matter, sure.

You're a hard man.

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A hard man who’s a forceful yet sensitive lover is the recipe for a happy marriage.

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Darcy got rid of all our good stuff years ago. What was I gonna do?

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Put her out on the curb?

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I'll tell her you suggested it.

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Noooo!!!!!!!!

(Give her my best.)

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Roger that

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Aside from ruminating on totalitarianism, I am often reminded of a saying that Gene Burns, a libertarian radio talk show host of long ago, used to tell his listeners: Don't believe anything that I tell you unless you know it to be true or have independently verified its veracity. Presumably he meant it for assessing the "truth" of anything anyone proffers. (Except, of course, the esteemed Matt Labash).

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Keep bringing it brother

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